i bought this game a few years ago i think around when it was first released -- it did yuck my yums and i ended up refunding it, HOWEVER. i ended up repurchasing on steam because i ended up maturing a little, and realising that if i was willing to read and enjoy something like berserk, i could give f&h another chance. and i must say the fear and hunger series is extremely good. like... ive spent a long 40+ hours playing the first game on steam with like 8 different save files and i am enamoured. 20 year old me was a little too sensitive about things but now that im 25 and have given the game a real chance it's really something else -- in a good way! the heavy topics in the game are handled with a respect that can be so easily misplaced or forgotten. everything from the lore to the art style, to the different endings and possibilities of what can happen in the game... the attention to detail is astounding. its a hard and rough game -- not many games will have me giving up too much progress to restart because something unfavourable happened. the rewards come with a real risk. its an unforgiving game that isnt meant for everyone, but i think it is something that adds real value to this genre. both games have been a real challenging but fun and interesting experience. i personally put them up there with the likes of ib and mad father -- those stories have stuck with me ever since ive played them, and the fear and hunger series is going to stick with me too.
im sorry for the essay, but i wanted to give a little reflection with my experiences with this game. i guess it is also a review too. i genuinely wish you the best in all your future projects, because you have quite the talent!! thank you, orange~!! :]
Hello! Wanted to say that I love this game, and I'm looking forward to playing Termina next. I've played many the RPG in my lifetime so far – I'm 28 – and this is such a breath of fresh air for its gameplay. Have you started thinking about another F&H, or are you concentrating on updating your current games as I've read in other comments?
Heyja, really love your game. Shame it's not on the german steam store and i had to find it over a youtuber, as it'd be definitely something that'd show up on my recommendation.
Now i am wondering; Can steamkeys be activated for german users, or will it just give us the good ol' "Yes you're a fully grown adult, no you're not allowed because it has benis in it."
Hello there! I am one in a seemingly long queue of Germans who would appreciate a steam key. So far, I have only bought the first one after being absolutely enraptured with the world and lore you have created, so no doubt the second one is on my list in the near future. Excellent work!
Also from Germany, bought both Fear & Hunger games on itch.io, but would really like to have them on Steam aswell. I'd even pay a few dollars more to have them. :/
Hello, I am also from Germany. I bought and already played your game, but I'd like to add it to my Steam collection if possible. A Steam Key would be greatly appreciated.
Heya, I recently bought F&H to get started on this awesome game. Unfortunately Im from germany, and you already know of the situation over here regarding Steam. I still wanted to ask, if it would be possible to get a Steam key? :)
Are you gonna add either of the games to mobile? I assume you won't, I kinda feel confident in that but I still don't know 100% whether you would or not.
Hey, I just bought the game on this page and downloaded it for mac as the Steam page doesn't exist in France (idk if banned or whatever). I rushed into buying but my mac has an error message when trying to open the game (Impossible to open "Game"). Does it work on M1 mac or is it Intel chip exclusive? Thanx in advance :)
Hi Orange, big fan of your work! Was playing the game with a friend of mine over the weekend and we got absolutly hooked. I'm unfortunatly also in the postion, that I'm living in germany with this wierd blockage of the steam version. Would it be possible to get a steam key, as I've seen from previous comments that this would work? I'm also planing on buying F&H2, but as far as I can see the same Steam issue aply here (Steam would be very favourable in the long run). If Buy F&H 2 now, would be possible to get keys for both? Sorry for the inconvenience...
Anyway, realy nice game with such an addicting atmosphere. Loving it (eventhough I get my ass kicked the whole time :D)
Hee, I just bought the game and downloaded the mac version. When I unzip the file and try to start the game it says mac cannot open it because the developer cannot be verifyed. Any help on that?
p.s.: I am also from germany, I think a steam key would also work for me
but the save option doesn't work properly I am able to get into the save menu and choose a file but it doesn't save when I validate the file did you have that issue before?
just another german who wouldn't let steam cockblock me into playing this game. I spent the last few days playing it and i am so in love with it to the point of obsession. sylvian would approve. if i could form a marriage with this game i would. i will spent some more time running around losing my mind and then play your next game. this has been my favorite indie game expierence in a long time. keep being awesome.
Had a few issues getting the game to open. Now I can get to the menu and begin playing, but the game exits itself of after running for ~10 seconds. Any ideas?
This game is not "banned" in Germany. Valve is not a branch of the German government yet. Therefore their decisions are not legally binding in this way.
The Fear and Hunger games are not even on the index that means there isn't even an advertising ban. And even the "confiscated" state in most cases does not mean that private ownership is illegal.
I guess the wording is incorrect in that misinfo, but Steam has region blocks on all adults-only games in Germany. Adults-only games are legal in Germany, but it requires stronger age verification than that of Steam's. I guess Steam just went for the simplest no hassle solution and just region blocked those games.
So yeah, it's not like Germany has F&H on blacklist or anything. But when people say it's banned, I doubt they think they have problems with F&H especially. It's just an umbrella term for the issue.
"The Fascist state of new Deutschland banned your game here, thankfully I can bypass steams anti-porno filter through itchio."
Rather concerning, as it is just blatantly untrue. And uses very "loaded" language.
Or to quote a full post from you:
"ah... Unfortunately Germany has banned F&H. The censorship is just more strict there. I believe all Adults Only games are banned there, no matter what the reason for that rating is. If you buy it on itchio, I can give you a Steam key to go with it, maybe that way you can bypass the watchful eye?"
Which led me to actually investigating the index situation. And I could not come up with anything. Proving a negative is impossible. So I find it concerning when a dev uses factually wrong statements like this for, dunno, PR oppression points
I might be a bit too on the edge on this topic due to rampant Russian propaganda everywhere. But factually wrong remains factually wrong. And the wording you choose here is very close to the stuff the bots post. As they try to paint a picture of a "Western enemy who is even worse then what they are doing." Especially censorship is a popular topic among conspiracy theorists.
So they way you used those words in this blatantly false statement really rubbed me the wrong way in a really really bad way.
I am not here for political alarmism, I actually wanted to buy the game. And I am always happy if I can get around the scummy wallets of Valve or worse companies. But after seeing that post I had to make sure that I am not giving direct financial support. To a propaganda arm of an army that's currently attacking a neighbor. That's just a line I am not willing to cross. But That's the extent of my "activism" You are free to delete this. Or ask me to delete this, to which I will oblige and set this case to rest. Which means there won't be any follow up from my side in any way shape or form. I just wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt before I draw my conclusions. Which is a step that is too often skipped on the internet in my opinion.
Also since I did the research now anyways I am more then willing to share:
Official website of the institution in charge of the age ratings. Specifically the part talking about the "index" simplified as "banned" even though that's not actually very accurate in the vast majority of cases as even indexed games can still in most cases be commercially sold and owned. Yes, age ratings. Remember when I hinted that "banned" is often an exaggeration? Well, "entirely unsuited for children" doesn't matter if you are only selling to adults. So that's why "censorship" is just factually wrong here and additionally "loaded" from propaganda use. Also even actually banned works can be discussed publicly by everyone who is not acting as the creator. Because there can be a ban on advertising and that can be a fine line if you directly benefit from sales. But it's entirely irrelevant for everyone else. Another point against the accusation of censorship.
So there is actually an easy solution for Valve. Just add a proper age verification. Or an opportunity for a competing companies. But in your case. You might benefit from this:
This is the place where the "bans" are published, again, extremely simplified. As this site covers all updates including cases where games get removed from the index. Yes, games can get a reevaluation that gets them removed. And that is made public on literally the same place, even in the same type of document. They contain a list of new entries and old entries that are removed. So the index is not just growing.
Indie Devs like you are probably legally in the green if they just mark their game as not appropriate for children.
"Größere Anbieter von für Kinder und Jugendliche relevanten Diensten müssen angemessene und wirksame Vorsorgemaßnahmen treffen, um diese effektiv zu schützen und ihnen eine sichere digitale Teilhabe zu gewährleisten."
First 2 words: "Bigger Providers"
But admittedly that's uncomfortably vague. I would just make my online shop "adult only" if I had no legal team. Which would be 18+ in Germany. We are still not quite in the internet age, to quote Merkel: "Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland.". Actually a meme. Mocking out of touch politicians. But also an actual quote.
But if i was in an actual, and I quote:
"Fascist state" I guess this post could get me in trouble. But I am so unafraid of that that I post this without VPN and provide you the police page to report me to:
Hey there! I'm interested in playing this game on twitch, however I'm really worried the sexual related content could get me in trouble with Twitch. Is there a version of the game that has the sexual related content censored so I don't have to worry about Twitch btfoing me?
Hello just got the game and really like. but sometime the screen freeze I still got the sound like opening inventory but nothing show up and the character dont move. I'm on the Windows 1.4.1.
Sure thing. Could you just email me through itch.io's CONTACT US page? (you can find it at the bottom of the page) That's the easiest way to confirm your sale and also safely send you the key.
ah... Unfortunately Germany has banned F&H. The censorship is just more strict there. I believe all Adults Only games are banned there, no matter what the reason for that rating is. If you buy it on itchio, I can give you a Steam key to go with it, maybe that way you can bypass the watchful eye?
Oh hey, sorry for the late reply! I think you should've gotten my email when you bought the game here. Would you mind contacting me via email? I can't really put out the code out here in the open for everyone to grab.
That is, you do not mind sharing the game code in some cases. And I went all the way to learning rpg maker mv by myself repeating most of the mechanics that you use in the game and invented a few of my own. I could not even think that the you would share or im just too shy. Well, when I finish my project, I would be interested in exchanging the codes of our projects if you don't mind.
Excuse me, Miro. I'd just like to say that you are a very creative mind and that you have created a very interesting universe in your games. I'd like to thank you for all that effort and creativity, and i think you deserve far more credit and relevance in the game community. You're not afraid to show the harsh reality of things, although in a fictional universe.
I got a friend that loves your games too but he doesn't have an itchio account. His name is Seon Mok and he actually spent 3 days drawing the Crow Mauler:
His instagram is @seon.mok and he would much appreciate your support, from one independent artist to another.
I wanted to thank you Miro, just wanted to say that even though I dont have a computer to run Fear and Hunger, what you created truly resonates with me and makes me feel close to it. I rarely find games and media in general that make me feel they did it so right at creating something of a cult dark fantasy experience like your game does.
Just wanted to say that I bought this for my husband because it has themes that he likes in a video game. My plan is to curl up next to him and watch him go through the dungeon and avoiding the possibility of getting an appendage cut off. I really like the art and lore, but I'm not as adventurous as he is when it comes to video games lol. Thanks for this great masterpiece. Will definitely ask the hubby on what he thinks of the game when he gets back.
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hi orange~!
i bought this game a few years ago i think around when it was first released -- it did yuck my yums and i ended up refunding it, HOWEVER. i ended up repurchasing on steam because i ended up maturing a little, and realising that if i was willing to read and enjoy something like berserk, i could give f&h another chance. and i must say the fear and hunger series is extremely good. like... ive spent a long 40+ hours playing the first game on steam with like 8 different save files and i am enamoured. 20 year old me was a little too sensitive about things but now that im 25 and have given the game a real chance it's really something else -- in a good way! the heavy topics in the game are handled with a respect that can be so easily misplaced or forgotten. everything from the lore to the art style, to the different endings and possibilities of what can happen in the game... the attention to detail is astounding. its a hard and rough game -- not many games will have me giving up too much progress to restart because something unfavourable happened. the rewards come with a real risk. its an unforgiving game that isnt meant for everyone, but i think it is something that adds real value to this genre. both games have been a real challenging but fun and interesting experience. i personally put them up there with the likes of ib and mad father -- those stories have stuck with me ever since ive played them, and the fear and hunger series is going to stick with me too.
im sorry for the essay, but i wanted to give a little reflection with my experiences with this game. i guess it is also a review too. i genuinely wish you the best in all your future projects, because you have quite the talent!! thank you, orange~!! :]
Hello! Wanted to say that I love this game, and I'm looking forward to playing Termina next. I've played many the RPG in my lifetime so far – I'm 28 – and this is such a breath of fresh air for its gameplay. Have you started thinking about another F&H, or are you concentrating on updating your current games as I've read in other comments?
Heyja, really love your game. Shame it's not on the german steam store and i had to find it over a youtuber, as it'd be definitely something that'd show up on my recommendation.
Now i am wondering; Can steamkeys be activated for german users, or will it just give us the good ol' "Yes you're a fully grown adult, no you're not allowed because it has benis in it."
The game would greatly benefit from a manual.
The only information on items/effects/mechanics that is available is in some random wikis and they are not thorough.
Hello there! I am one in a seemingly long queue of Germans who would appreciate a steam key. So far, I have only bought the first one after being absolutely enraptured with the world and lore you have created, so no doubt the second one is on my list in the near future. Excellent work!
Also from Germany, bought both Fear & Hunger games on itch.io, but would really like to have them on Steam aswell. I'd even pay a few dollars more to have them. :/
Hello, I am also from Germany. I bought and already played your game, but I'd like to add it to my Steam collection if possible. A Steam Key would be greatly appreciated.
Heya, I recently bought F&H to get started on this awesome game.
Unfortunately Im from germany, and you already know of the situation over here regarding Steam.
I still wanted to ask, if it would be possible to get a Steam key? :)
Ty in advance and have a great weekend!
Are you gonna add either of the games to mobile? I assume you won't, I kinda feel confident in that but I still don't know 100% whether you would or not.
Hey, I just bought the game on this page and downloaded it for mac as the Steam page doesn't exist in France (idk if banned or whatever). I rushed into buying but my mac has an error message when trying to open the game (Impossible to open "Game"). Does it work on M1 mac or is it Intel chip exclusive? Thanx in advance :)
Visually interesting, but this feels more like a rage game than a horror rpg.
Hi Orange, big fan of your work! Was playing the game with a friend of mine over the weekend and we got absolutly hooked. I'm unfortunatly also in the postion, that I'm living in germany with this wierd blockage of the steam version. Would it be possible to get a steam key, as I've seen from previous comments that this would work? I'm also planing on buying F&H2, but as far as I can see the same Steam issue aply here (Steam would be very favourable in the long run). If Buy F&H 2 now, would be possible to get keys for both? Sorry for the inconvenience...
Anyway, realy nice game with such an addicting atmosphere. Loving it (eventhough I get my ass kicked the whole time :D)
Great game, got absolutely addicted to watching all the lore and unique interactions with it on youtube. Was about time I bought it too xD
Sadly I'm also affected by german Steam laws, otherwise I would've bought it there instead of itchio, would it be possible to get a key for it there?
Hee, I just bought the game and downloaded the mac version. When I unzip the file and try to start the game it says mac cannot open it because the developer cannot be verifyed.
Any help on that?
p.s.: I am also from germany, I think a steam key would also work for me
Ok so I managed to open it somehow
but the save option doesn't work properly
I am able to get into the save menu and choose a file but it doesn't save when I validate the file
did you have that issue before?
Would love to buy your game on steam but i also live in germany. Can i contect you via mail?
Orange, Could you add achivements in the Steam Version of the Game.I think he would be cool
I contacted you through itch.io about a request for a steam key. I hope this is still possible. :)
just another german who wouldn't let steam cockblock me into playing this game.
I spent the last few days playing it and i am so in love with it to the point of obsession. sylvian would approve. if i could form a marriage with this game i would. i will spent some more time running around losing my mind and then play your next game. this has been my favorite indie game expierence in a long time. keep being awesome.
Hey could I get a Steam Key too, yet another German here.
Had a few issues getting the game to open. Now I can get to the menu and begin playing, but the game exits itself of after running for ~10 seconds. Any ideas?
As many people are spreading misinformation here:
This game is not "banned" in Germany. Valve is not a branch of the German government yet. Therefore their decisions are not legally binding in this way.
The Fear and Hunger games are not even on the index that means there isn't even an advertising ban. And even the "confiscated" state in most cases does not mean that private ownership is illegal.
This is a Steam issue not a German legal issue.
I guess the wording is incorrect in that misinfo, but Steam has region blocks on all adults-only games in Germany. Adults-only games are legal in Germany, but it requires stronger age verification than that of Steam's. I guess Steam just went for the simplest no hassle solution and just region blocked those games.
So yeah, it's not like Germany has F&H on blacklist or anything. But when people say it's banned, I doubt they think they have problems with F&H especially. It's just an umbrella term for the issue.
I see posts like:
"The Fascist state of new Deutschland banned your game here, thankfully I can bypass steams anti-porno filter through itchio."
Rather concerning, as it is just blatantly untrue. And uses very "loaded" language.
Or to quote a full post from you:
"ah... Unfortunately Germany has banned F&H. The censorship is just more strict there. I believe all Adults Only games are banned there, no matter what the reason for that rating is. If you buy it on itchio, I can give you a Steam key to go with it, maybe that way you can bypass the watchful eye?"
Which led me to actually investigating the index situation. And I could not come up with anything. Proving a negative is impossible. So I find it concerning when a dev uses factually wrong statements like this for, dunno, PR oppression points
I might be a bit too on the edge on this topic due to rampant Russian propaganda everywhere. But factually wrong remains factually wrong. And the wording you choose here is very close to the stuff the bots post. As they try to paint a picture of a "Western enemy who is even worse then what they are doing." Especially censorship is a popular topic among conspiracy theorists.
So they way you used those words in this blatantly false statement really rubbed me the wrong way in a really really bad way.
I am not here for political alarmism, I actually wanted to buy the game. And I am always happy if I can get around the scummy wallets of Valve or worse companies. But after seeing that post I had to make sure that I am not giving direct financial support. To a propaganda arm of an army that's currently attacking a neighbor. That's just a line I am not willing to cross. But That's the extent of my "activism" You are free to delete this. Or ask me to delete this, to which I will oblige and set this case to rest. Which means there won't be any follow up from my side in any way shape or form. I just wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt before I draw my conclusions. Which is a step that is too often skipped on the internet in my opinion.
Also since I did the research now anyways I am more then willing to share:
https://www.bzkj.de/bzkj/indizierung/wie-laeuft-ein-indizierungsverfahren-ab/lis...
Official website of the institution in charge of the age ratings. Specifically the part talking about the "index" simplified as "banned" even though that's not actually very accurate in the vast majority of cases as even indexed games can still in most cases be commercially sold and owned. Yes, age ratings. Remember when I hinted that "banned" is often an exaggeration? Well, "entirely unsuited for children" doesn't matter if you are only selling to adults. So that's why "censorship" is just factually wrong here and additionally "loaded" from propaganda use. Also even actually banned works can be discussed publicly by everyone who is not acting as the creator. Because there can be a ban on advertising and that can be a fine line if you directly benefit from sales. But it's entirely irrelevant for everyone else. Another point against the accusation of censorship.
So there is actually an easy solution for Valve. Just add a proper age verification. Or an opportunity for a competing companies. But in your case. You might benefit from this:
https://www.bundesanzeiger.de
This is the place where the "bans" are published, again, extremely simplified. As this site covers all updates including cases where games get removed from the index. Yes, games can get a reevaluation that gets them removed. And that is made public on literally the same place, even in the same type of document. They contain a list of new entries and old entries that are removed. So the index is not just growing.
Indie Devs like you are probably legally in the green if they just mark their game as not appropriate for children.
See:
https://www.bzkj.de/bzkj/anbieterpflichten/
The general gist is:
The bigger you are, the bigger is your responsibility.
https://www.bzkj.de/bzkj/vorsorgemassnahmen-207480
Literally starts with:
"Größere Anbieter von für Kinder und Jugendliche relevanten Diensten müssen angemessene und wirksame Vorsorgemaßnahmen treffen, um diese effektiv zu schützen und ihnen eine sichere digitale Teilhabe zu gewährleisten."
First 2 words: "Bigger Providers"
But admittedly that's uncomfortably vague. I would just make my online shop "adult only" if I had no legal team. Which would be 18+ in Germany. We are still not quite in the internet age, to quote Merkel: "Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland.". Actually a meme. Mocking out of touch politicians. But also an actual quote.
But if i was in an actual, and I quote:
"Fascist state" I guess this post could get me in trouble. But I am so unafraid of that that I post this without VPN and provide you the police page to report me to:
https://www.polizei.rlp.de/de/onlinewache/
you sound like a nerd
how can I download the game if it’s „banned“ in Germany ? I verified my age on steam but i don’t have access to the game. Can you help me ?
Can I get a steam key even though steam is not banned in my country? :D
Hey there! I'm interested in playing this game on twitch, however I'm really worried the sexual related content could get me in trouble with Twitch. Is there a version of the game that has the sexual related content censored so I don't have to worry about Twitch btfoing me?
No.
Hello just got the game and really like. but sometime the screen freeze I still got the sound like opening inventory but nothing show up and the character dont move. I'm on the Windows 1.4.1.
Mind sending me a key, too? Already sent you a mail :)
Quite an interesting mix.
Part JRPG, part survival horror, set in a grimdark fantasy setting.
The atmosphere and sound design are incredibly moody.
Not for everyone because of the themes and quite graphic nature of the game, and setting. Not in bad taste or glorifying, it fits the world to a t.
If you're a fan of Berserk give this one a go.
And also thanks for giving me a steamkey after buying F&H on itch, the game's not available on steam in Germany.
The Fascist state of new Deutschland banned your game here, thankfully I can bypass steams anti-porno filter through itchio. 👍
I was just curious if you think that you might ever try to make F&H for the Nintendo Switch?
Hey, I just purchased your game on here since I am from Germany as well, could you send me a Steam code, too?
Thanks in advance
Hendrik
Sure thing. Could you just email me through itch.io's CONTACT US page? (you can find it at the bottom of the page) That's the easiest way to confirm your sale and also safely send you the key.
This is, without question,an amazing game🤪🤪🤪🤪😉😉😉😉😉😉👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
hey i wanted to buy this game on steam but it says "This product is currently not available in your country" i live in germany can you tell me why
ah... Unfortunately Germany has banned F&H. The censorship is just more strict there. I believe all Adults Only games are banned there, no matter what the reason for that rating is. If you buy it on itchio, I can give you a Steam key to go with it, maybe that way you can bypass the watchful eye?
yea steam key would be nice im buying it now should i contact you then?
hey can you send the key now pls
Oh hey, sorry for the late reply! I think you should've gotten my email when you bought the game here. Would you mind contacting me via email? I can't really put out the code out here in the open for everyone to grab.
That is, you do not mind sharing the game code in some cases. And I went all the way to learning rpg maker mv by myself repeating most of the mechanics that you use in the game and invented a few of my own. I could not even think that the you would share or im just too shy. Well, when I finish my project, I would be interested in exchanging the codes of our projects if you don't mind.
sure can you tell me your email couldn't find it
Excuse me, Miro. I'd just like to say that you are a very creative mind and that you have created a very interesting universe in your games. I'd like to thank you for all that effort and creativity, and i think you deserve far more credit and relevance in the game community. You're not afraid to show the harsh reality of things, although in a fictional universe.
I got a friend that loves your games too but he doesn't have an itchio account. His name is Seon Mok and he actually spent 3 days drawing the Crow Mauler:
His instagram is @seon.mok and he would much appreciate your support, from one independent artist to another.
Once again, thank you for all u have given us.
Can you add the Linux build to steam?
I wanted to thank you Miro, just wanted to say that even though I dont have a computer to run Fear and Hunger, what you created truly resonates with me and makes me feel close to it. I rarely find games and media in general that make me feel they did it so right at creating something of a cult dark fantasy experience like your game does.
Thank you
Just wanted to say that I bought this for my husband because it has themes that he likes in a video game. My plan is to curl up next to him and watch him go through the dungeon and avoiding the possibility of getting an appendage cut off. I really like the art and lore, but I'm not as adventurous as he is when it comes to video games lol. Thanks for this great masterpiece. Will definitely ask the hubby on what he thinks of the game when he gets back.