Fear & Hunger

hey,

Its cool that you fixed the problem!

But is there a way that I can put my save files into the updated version? So I dont have to start all over again. 

I read one comment that said it was possible but could you or anyone tell me the specific steps so I dont mess anything up?

My girlfriend and I ran into a bug in the ancient city where the screen just went completely black after entering the area where the tower of the endless is. She had made a bunch of progress and found a lot of good items at this point and it totally screwed everything. Not to mention a lot of times we will cut an enemy's head off and get attacked before combat ends, and that's by enemies that aren't supposed to be alive after getting their heads hacked off. We really like the game but the bugs have ruined multiple runs for us by now. 

Hey wassup,

I jus run into this bug that makes the main character walk but facing front.

In other words he can walk forward, backward and side ways but he is always facing front which gets very annoying when you try to loot something or talk to someone.

I already tried to fix it by restarting the game but its still there... 

Any help or ideas??

Mirohaver, this is just a suggestion, but it would be very cool if you could put this in Steam. I don't have a credit card and I can't pay for this game.

Is there anyway of re-attaching limbs (disregarding the marriage of flesh method)? Also, there is a pile of rubble at the start of the dungeon that gives infinite cursed short swords.

"TypeError Cannot read property 'bitmap' of undefined"

I got this error when I got attacked by the eastern sword ghost when I was in a text dialogue.

Also game bugs when I try to make marriage show love, all the sprites dissapear. The sprites reappear when I use the elevator.

Ran into a bug where I lost my pyromancy trick spell after a save. Can't exactly remember all the steps between the two points. I know I learned the spell from the hexen, freed the girl, a few other things and then saved. The spell was missing after reload, even though the hexen still shows it as learned, and I've continued to play that run with no other problems learning and using other spells. Wish I could remember more details about my steps along the way. Hope it helps.

Hello,

If u update the game do u still have the save files??

Hello Again

I have found another glitch, this one involving the decaying knight that is guarding the alchemist's quarters. I destroyed all of his pieces of armor and the combat should have ended (I couldnt attack the ghostly knight as thats just how the combat of the fight is)

But as I destroyed all of its armor and couldnt target the enemy anymore, the combat did not end. Instead it just kept going, killing my entire party without me being able to do anything about it. I used the ability Leg Sweep on the knight and that may have been the problem???

Also, some enemies take their turns in the middle of my party attacks, sometimes resulting in more than three attacks per turn, then the enemies attack. This also happened when I would dismember an enemy's legs to get a hit on the head to end combat, I would hit the head and the body would phase away, then it would stop with only the enemies head and attack, do its attack, then finally the combat would end.

Hello there, 

I am loving the game but I have a really frustrating issue with the saving. Every time I go to sleep or I read the book of enlightenment  it brings me to the file save and I have  no idea what button I should press. whenever I press enter or space nothing happens  and sometimes when I come out it crashes the game. 

I am using Mac version 1.0.3 but I can't even seem to download the update without it wanting to charge me another 8 dollars I just made an account to try and do it so maybe I am just being a noob :s

All I want is to download the latest update and try to fix or get help with the saving.

Do you think you can help me out? This game is so much fun but I really really want to save  haha.

Hey,

Wanna give some feedback on the game.

I love the game! its great and original. Love the style of a creepy hard dungeon game.  i think the coin flips are pretty well. if u know how to fight some enimies. Evevry time u enter fear & hunger u see something new with the different routes u take. I see the great and hard work behind this. 

There are some bugs like when u get poison or bleeding and go to force a door its glitch and u can take multible rounds to take the door down, it is a great bug but yeah it takes the skill away. Also there is a glitch when u get the tortuard soul u can't open the inventory. its hard because if u are infected or have a bleeding u becily dead or open your inventory its crashes.

But after many tries i got a clean run the counter that glitch.

Still love it and love to see more!

I already posted about how I enjoy this game a lot, but had a major problem with coin flips, but I also really want to see this game improved. I came across a bug multiple times where after a defeated a few enemies such as the malformed Jailors and the Corpes combat would end. Then I would be put into the same combat again, the enemy would have the same dismemberments as I left them right before my final move and everything.

Okay I really like this game, but the coin flip instant run enders are bullshit to say the least especially when saving is so rare! I was only able to save 11 minutes into my run, only able to find one way to save which IN AND OF ITSELF WAS A COIN FLIP WHETHER IT WAS A PASS OR FAIL! But then I continue on this run for another hour and a half, and then coin flip time..... Fail.... I wasted and hour and thirty minutes of my time essentially. Not okay 

Hello! Bought and played the game for Mac. Here's a few things:

1.) Had to give it write permissions and run sudo to make save files. 
2.) I entered the thicket through the secret garden and the game began to lag relentlessly from that point on; frame rate, key input, etc. It would kind of recover during battles and in small hallways. It was frustrating but I kept playing.
3.) The cube of the deep glitched out (still in inventory and 'usable' but no effect) and could no longer be used, so I couldn't really complete any more puzzles. I gave up at that point. 

Enjoyed it though. Hope you're able to work on these issues. 

Does buying here have anything to do with Steam? Or do you get a Steam copy/version when it comes out around the 21st? TIA

Encountered a bug, not sure if it's been reported. Playing V1.0.3 during the sequence when you first meet Lord Buckman. I was walking up the middle of the hall my character stopped, and the sequence started but his sprite wan't there, it ran through the dialog. Once it finished he wasn't in the cell and the sequence with the torturer never activated. Thankfully you can proceed without his key.

Another possible bug. I went to the Mines and the Ghost Knight that protects the Alchemist was guarding the hall outside the Salmonsnake.

Also lost the use of all items in my bag after reloading my save. Had to close and reopen the application to fix it.

One last bug for me to report. When using the Demon Seed ability on the Crow Maulers corpse when he's in the free save bedroom. The Pixels become broken (clear box surrounded by broken pixels). This bug is minor as you still get the baby. and everything fixes once it's finished. Also I trapped his soul... does it no longer become an accessory? it shows up under items instead of armor.

Hello, I recently bought this game and it is pretty amazing! 

Just wondering is it possible to recruit in your party the beheaded wizard? I have collected the talisman from the yellow wizard but any time i try to face that floating face even if I spend all my turns talking to him the result does not change: crushed by the giant demon. So is it possible to get him???

Hello! I was just wandering does the "hard" mode alter in the game? Does it add content and difficulty or just battle difficulty? I think Im beginning to approach the end of my first playthrough (although I'm going relatively blind so I could be wrong) and I was thinking about replaying on the harder difficulty if it added anything.

so what exactly does the Potion of Life do? I thought it was able to revive but that doesn't seem to be the case. I also haven't found anything dead or dormant I could use it on. Is it really just a scam item the merchant sells?

I found a bug! Or maybe a few?

So when trying to break down the door that leads to the Scarab, if you talk to the door it will have the dialogue for the Scarab. The Scarab will attack the turn that you speak to them and doesn't show up on the screen, but will not attack on subsequent turns until you talk to them again. 

I managed to beat the door and was going to leave but I got sucked into the ground into another dimension. However, the sprite for my character--I was playing as the Mercenary--was stuck in the sinking pose, even when I moved around. The sprite can move but it flashes in and out while moving. When I returned to the real world I was still stuck in the sinking sprite. When I equipped a new sword--since my old one got melted by the Scarab--the sprite returned to normal. 

Overall it was pretty wild. I'm glad my ability to mess things up royally may help with some bug fixing! Loving the game so far! 

I'm not sure if this has already been reported, but nothing happens when you curse the long sword, a stone is lost and the message says the sword is cursed, but it does not appear in the inventory.

So i have seen a lot of gameplay now and im sure i will buy this game, but because im a bit of a achievment hunter my question is: if this game get on Steam would i have to buy it again on Steam? 

Sorry for the bad english im from Germany

Great game loving the hell out of it, but of a spoiler here but I just grabbed the eastern sword, is there any way to get the ghost to stop attacking me? I'm all the way in mahabre so please tell me I don't have to go back to the thicket. :p

Is there a way I can remove a party member? I have a skeleton but I want the Moonless real bad... I just can't get her because my party is full :( 

Hey just started playing today, very cool. Thanks to John Wolfe for playing it on the 'tube and already got me hooked. If no one has yet mentioned it, when the Black Witch coin flip fails and grabs you the screen says "Prison guard twists your body...." instead of well "Black witch..." blah blah you get what I'm sayin. Oh and if I go outside, no matter how much silver I have (the last time 8) I could still buy a 15  coin "Potion of Life" not complaining AT ALL cause I needed it, but .... um still THANKS!! 

I purchased the full game and I've had issues with extreme lag. I practically move at a snails pace. I'm not sure if it is due to my computer or the game itself. I play on windows 10.

Fear and Hunger is one of the most interesting games to come out on the RPGmaker platform in a while. The moody atmosphere is just right, and the brutality of the game is enticing in a good way. Combined with the art style, I felt immediately drawn to this game and had high hopes for it after seeing John Wolfe play it.

Despite that, the game is at odds with itself. It's very clear the game emulates rogue-like elements: The rearranging dungeon, coin-flip elements, and brutal combat. The game wants you to learn from trial and error, but in practice the game demands perfection. How can I learn from my mistakes if the punishment is having to start from zero? It's probably worth re-evaluating your rogue-like mechanics in the context of an RPG, instead of other more common rogue-likes.

The way I see it, this game has a problem trifecta: No Save + Lethality + RNG. One of these problems is worse than the others, and the easiest way to fix the other two is to simply add in a consistent save system. Not even allowing the player to save at any time, but maybe function like Resident Evil, where you have a limited number of guaranteed saves, thus encouraging players to hold onto their saves while keeping the heavy atmosphere.

Brutal lethality immediately stops being a problem once you can save more often. As I mentioned, I like how severe the game is. Every single battle is deadly. But it's implementation has problems that would be far more tolerable with saving. For example, every single enemy in the game has the ability to either: Break Bones, Cut off Limbs, or Give Status Effects. Some enemies can do all of the above, or stack multiple statuses. This becomes a problem when statuses are so lethal that even when you win, if you can't cure those effects immediately, or in the case of broken bones or lost limbs, can't cure it at all, it's the same as a game over. 

A single misstep or events that are out of your control in any battle, like an attack missing or an enemy landing an attack after death, can spell the end of your run. At the very least, if you could save more frequently, you could 'rehearse' combat until you get it just right, but as it currently is you find yourself pigeonholed into extremely limited forms of play like "Attack the torso/head as hard as possible" making you not want to experiment with combat whatsoever to reduce risk, since allowing the enemy even a single turn can be the end.

Combine this with the coin-flip nature of item finding in this game, and the problems are exacerbated. The items you need to cure the aforementioned status effects are very rare, and if you run out, your only hope is to find the alchemy book that lets you craft them. However, if the coinflip doesn't favor you, it's possible you could never find it, thus sealing your doom by bleeding out or poison the next time you get into combat. This also goes for books, gear, and even saving, which goes without saying at this point.

If the coinflip doesn't go in your favor throughout the game, your chance of death increases exponentially, and if you aren't lucky enough to find a save book, you're gonna be seeing the intro cutscenes a lot. Let's not even mention that the one guaranteed save in the game is guarded by an enemy with an instant kill attack that doesn't even require a coinflip. If the game allowed you to save more frequently, these would be less bad, as you'd have a buffer against negative consequences, and even be able to reattempt failed coinflips.

Yes, I'm advocating for save scumming but it's far more tolerable than the current state of the game.

I still like this game a lot, and still want to see it succeed and do well, and implementing a more favorable save system would go a long way in making that happen.

Hey there! 

I played your game on a friend recommendation. I am leaving this review because Fear and Hunger has one of the best moody atmospheres I've seen in a game, and I only want to see this game grow and improve. You're doing a great job so far both with this game and listening to your community. 

I do appreciate the oppressive atmosphere of the game, and sometimes the coin toss can add a bit of intensity to places where life and death is at stake.

However, some of the placement of the rng and what the game is trying to do feels at odds with each other.

>>But as long as you learn from your mistakes, you can quickly find yourself at the deeper levels of the dungeon.

Where this vision starts to break down is that the game doesn't grant you a margin of error that will let you learn from your mistakes. You could know to, through trial and error, avoid all the guards, rub infected wounds with green herbs, cut off dark priest arms, etc etc. But due to the lack of a reliable save system, you could make a tiny error during a battle, or miss a single attack, or lose a coin flip and you have to start the game over again. Scripted events, intro, and all.

You could also get a status effect that's slowly killing your character. You failed the coin tosses previously to find the book on how to craft the item needed to cure your character. Your character dies slowly and there's no recovering from it short of scrambling to find a walkthrough.

Another situation I ran into was getting the crow mauler 4 times in a row trying to save on the bed, just so I didn't have to create my character and go through all of the scripted scenarios over and over again. Another situation was hacking off all of a guards limbs only for his tackle attack to have the same damage as his normal attacks. (How did cutting off the limbs increase my survivability here?)

Either the game wants me to use trial and error and I am allowed to recover and learn from my mistakes, or the game has the RNG act as a point of tension but a reliable enough save system that allows you to quickly get back on your feet. If you have both, the atmosphere cracks and the game begins to feel like a chore. You're discouraged from experimenting and being creative because one unlucky turn can spell doom. 

Personally I'm fine with the one-hit kills, but I think this game desperately needs a reliable save system (start off the game with one free book of enlightenment? No crow mauler in Basement 3?) and for players to be able to craft without rng generated recipe books. This way your knowledge of the game will always allow you to prepare for encounters instead of being at the mercy of finding a book. With the above in mind, being able to miss attacks doesn't help either. I can understand a knight not being able to reach a guard's head but if every turn matters then why have me lose turns? 

Thank you for the effort you are putting into the game, and I hope that this review helps the game improve. : )

Can somebody tell me what these icons are? What do they do, and where did I get them? I can't find any information about them online yet.

I've had the above, and I've had this one:  before.

They have only ever appeared on my main characters, only one at a time, on different characters, and they seem to be permanent once they show up. 

Unless I'm just seriously oblivious, they don't seem to have any impact on combat... that I can tell. I haven't found any equipped item or party member that either appears or disappears with, either. 

AND! I can't even remember when or how either one appeared! I want to say the top one miiiiiiiiiiight have appeared around the time I summoned my first demon baby, or possibly when I reached a higher affinity with some god, but there were several things that happened right around that time on this character, so, alas, I can't remember. I just know I suddenly noticed it, and it NEVER went away. I unfortunately just have no recollection of when or how the second one appeared. :(

One thing I'm almost entirely certain of, though, is that they appeared pretty quietly - I definitely don't remember ever seeing a dialog or anything that said "you got XXX!" at any time.

So yeah... anybody know anything about either or both of those icons? 

Will this game ever get on Steam? :) or will it be staying here on Itch.io? :)
Cause I really wanna buy it after watching John Wolfe playing it, but if it's going on steam, what with achievements and such, I'd like to wait and see!
Will keep an close eye on this, though :3

someone help me i cant play without full screen i am having massive lag {i play the demo win v}

We struggled with the failed to load _1.png error (definitely after summoning blood golem [or greater blood golem in our case] during the tormented fight - awesome catch!) for well over an hour, and couldn't find a fix yet online, but my coder SO figured out how to get past it immediately without having to close out the game or lose any progress at all! 

TO FIX:

• MINIMIZE the game, DO NOT close or quit
• open your local folder (*gameroot*)/www/img/pictures
• COPY file actor3_1.rpgmvp from this folder
• PASTE actor3_1.rpgmvp into this same folder
• RENAME the pasted file to _1.rpgmvp 
• return to the GAME screen and click RETRY
• [prompt should dismiss and you should be right back in the game immediately]
• go ENTER AND COMPLETE COMBAT with any other mob

You should be able to continue the game normally now.

We tried getting past this by futzing aroung with files and folders, creating .pngs of various content, sizes, and names (like _i or __1 lol), faffing about with different file paths, even trying to frankenstein image file types, but none of that worked! Turns out, afaict, the .png in the error is a red herring!! Eventually we just went spelunking through the code files, and finally my SO backtracked the location of the error function being called here and (yada yada something mostly incomprehensible to me haha), then Retry worked immediately and we got past it!

I know this is a huge long post - sorry!! - but [1] I really really hope this is helpful to the [absolutely AWESOME btw] developer, and [2] we couldn't find a fix for this anywhere, and [3] I know the behavior is a liiiitlle weird immediately after the fix so I want people to know what they're doing (the best I can explain it, anyway) and exactly what we found and experienced in our fix. 

It does all sound a bit scary on the surface imo, but honestly, I do think doing this is perfectly safe; we've played for quite some time since fixing the error and have experienced no ill effects or other weirdness. However, Orange, PLEASE let people/me know if this is a horrible thing to do for any reason!!

TOO-LONG EXPLANATION OF WHAT/WHY:

We left the game open with the Retry prompt up. Then we minimized and opened file explorer, and went into the (*game root*)/www/img/pictures folder.  We COPIED one of the .RPGMVP files (we happened to choose actor3_1.rpgmvp because it already had _1 in the name), and PASTED it right there into the same /pictures folder.

Then we RENAMED the new pasted file to   _1.rpgmvp   (NOT .png!!).

I'm pretty sure the file you copy must be one of the actor*.rpgmvp files - and definitely not a png haha - because the game needs party member data to cleanly dismiss the blood golem. You cannot simply create a new file with the correct name and filetype for the same reason - it needs the data to clean up the party member properly. It must be a copied actor rpgmvp file, and I personally recommend just using the one I noted** simply because it's a valid party member and has proven to work fine for us already. I don't know which characters are in which files, so it's possible we just got lucky with a compatible existing file.

[**You could totally try using the actual blood golem rpgmvp file, if you know which one it is, BUT that may - possibly maybe potentially who knows I don't - not work if that's where the original bug is... I'm not 100% on that. If you do try the blood golem actor file, and you still can't completely get rid of the Retry prompt for good basically immediately, I'd just go try the actor3_1 file, myself. You should be able to click Retry infinitely until the error is fixed, though, so none of this should be totally catastrophic; just remember to copypaste and then rename, not rename existing files!]

Once you create the new rpgmvp file with actor data, go back to the game window and just hit Retry. You should be able to dismiss the error immediately and get directly back into the game without losing any progress.

--> **PLEASE NOTE** that this fix causes a very brief weirdness! We've tested several times now, always with these results:

We get a "phantom" floating head guy character (Nas'hrah? meanie jerk with the huge taurus, in the gore hallway outside the jails) placed visibly in blood golem's party slot *in the menu only*. He is not visible walking around with us through the world, and he has no available skills or anything. He appears to be only a temporary visual anomaly present in the menu, with no impact on the game. Further, he is only there until the next completed combat.

In the NEXT COMBAT - and it does not matter which mob is aggroed - blood golem is a proper functional member of the party again, in both the fight scene and in the menu. He automatically appears there at the beginning of the fight, however, without summoning. He works properly and fights in this combat.

As soon as we EXIT THAT COMBAT (still the first combat after the error... and there is a mob right outside the tormented room, super conveniently!), the new copypasted file causes the blood golem / floating head party member to get properly CLEANED UP from the party and everything is back to normal and has been normal now for quite some time, through several fights, events, and save games. 

After completing the first combat post tormented fix, we are still able to summon blood golem, he still functions properly as a party member, and he is still dismissed and cleaned up after combat, every time. We have fought several various mobs in several areas after doing this fix, with no problems on blood golem, on any party member, or in any combat. We have also been able to save and load the game just fine, so this change does not appear to corrupt save files or anything like that... thank the old gods!

ORANGE: It *looks like* the cause for this bug is that blood golem does not properly dismiss or clean up from the party, specifically after using [greater?] blood golem in the tormented fight - because it's calling the wrong filetype of png instead of rpgmvp (and an incomplete filename, most likely, too) upon exiting combat. It *looks like* completing one combat after the tormented fight allows the new file to call the missing function (or just filename?) to clean up properly without any negative repercussions, so hopefully you may be able to copypaste the missing data into blood golem's file, or at least look through the actor files for the .png reference... or whatever is missing! 

As I said, things have worked pretty much flawlessly since that change, but I will update or reply asap if we experience any related weirdness in the future!

ALSO ORANGE (side note): I just have to say this in case you read this post - I can't thank you enough, not only for being so helpful and responsive, like all over the internet, but even moreso just for making this unbelievably cool, unique, cruel, insane, hilarious, creepy, disturbing, petty, twisted, unforgiving, rewarding, peerlessly creative, stunningly well-made, scarily addictive, and extremely fun game for all of us!!! I have never played anything quite like it, and I am genuinely by-proxy super proud of your achievement and very happy for you. I sincerely and truly hope you make a million dollars (at least!) on this game! I'm introducing it to everyone I can, so I hope to help make that happen!! :D

We've been playing for over a week now, every chance we get, and literally every single time we play, SO and I both say something like "wow I can't believe how good this is" and then of course "hahaha holy cow, the messed up things this game makes us say!!" ...usually several times each. Seriously, I wish you the utmost success with this game, and I can't wait to see what your warped and corrupted ;) mind comes up with in the future!!!

Yeah, I know I probably sound ridiculously gushy and starry-eyed, but I really do mean it. You've created something genuinely awesome, so thank you!

I have been trying to progress for over an hour. I watched a let's play and the room that's supposed to let you progress further is not in my game.

I'm pretty sure I downloaded the newest version. What am I supposed to do?

This comes up after I defeated a White Angel.

I chose no to take soul, devour and searched body. Then went to check again because I wanted to devour, and the fighting sound began, screen went to black with this error.

Also I have the Eastern Sword.

I am a Marriage with a Skeleton and Girl. 

So how do you recover from a bleeding anal hole?

I'm loving the game so far.  In pretty deep so here's a bug report:

• A hole in the thicket won't let me drop and I KNOW there's something tasty down there. (My biggest complaint)
• Some lag but remedied by entering new areas.
• Froze when saving once.

Really enjoying the game lately but encountered another weird bug, I was lucky enough to find the book of enlightenment and when I went to use it the save menu popped up and asked me to save to a file but no matter what file I selected or however many times I tried to save it would never save. 

I forgot to mention I am playing on the Mac version, not sure if it makes a difference. Tried saving with the book and by sleeping in the bed and no success either way...not game breaking but it's going to be difficult to beat the game without being able to save at all.